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Peace. Peace, everyone. It's your girl, sequoia blue back in here with another
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episode. And today we have a special guest from the
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UK, Atmos. And he is a multi
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instrumentalist, composer, artist, photographer, poet
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and author. I mean, just all around talented.
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And he considers himself to be a multi potential light.
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And that's a great segue, y'all, because, you know, I consider myself to
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be a multite potential light. So I definitely want to get his opinion on what
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that means to him. So thanks, Atmos, for coming into
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the pod today. And what does multi potential, like, mean to
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you? Oh, that's a good place to start.
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So multi potentiality is something that I came
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into quite late, really, and I never really knew it existed. So
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for me, it means wanting to explore lots of different
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areas, but deeply as well, not just scratching the surface.
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So it's exploring multiple interests
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and sort of really diving into them and finding out what it's about and what
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you like about those interests as well.
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I like that. Yeah. Because there's so much stigma
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on that. They're like, focus on one thing and meet down and blah, blah,
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blah. And it's like, that's not everybody, right? And
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everybody can handle different things, right? Exactly.
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Exactly. Yeah. I was just going to say, like, for me personally, like,
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one of the reasons I consider myself a multi potential art is because
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different art forms, for example, they cater to different
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needs or different things. I want to express. You know, I might want to
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express something visually through art or photography, but then if I have an
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emotion, I want to get out. It might be music that
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fulfills that.
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So you just. You just let out whatever vibes you have
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with whatever skill set that's there that you have. I like that.
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Like, it's good not to close ourselves off because it's
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just, it doesn't make life fruitful when we can't just say, okay, let me express
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this this way. I'm a painted. I love it. I like your paintings, by the
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way. Please check out his website. Thank you productions
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slash links because his art is very different. I like the
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style of it. I'm actually probably gonna buy one of
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these because I like, I like, I like art the size of boxes,
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as you all probably know by now. And
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so what, so what is the favorite. What is your favorite
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thing that you like to do when it comes to, like,
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figuring out what you're. What you're gonna map out, like, as far as, like, your
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book or just your music? Like, how do you sit down and prepare for
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it? So I think one of the ways I prepare for
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doing these things is almost kind of doing the groundwork by
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just allowing myself to play and sort of create without expecting
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too much to start with. A lot of the projects I've
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created, they've come together almost afterwards.
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I've been writing a lot of poetry under a tree, for example, at one point
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in my life, and then at one point I thought, well, maybe I should do
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a book, because these poems that I've been coming up with are quite strong,
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and they clearly link together for
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most projects. It's not really a case of I've got a vision that I want
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to come together, but that does happen as well sometimes,
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especially if it's something like the music that I've been
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working on. If I've got, like, a concept album in mind, then
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I kind of explore that theme and again allow myself to play and
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then try and draw together these different creations and try to make some sense of
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it. Wow. I love
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it. I love it. And what inspired you to write poetry
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for the blind? So when I first started doing
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poetry, I never thought about doing a book at all. The first poem I
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actually did, it was, in a way, a
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tribute and like a sort of putting myself in the shoes
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of my uncle, who he was in the Falklands war,
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and I experienced myself
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sort of hearing him with night terrors. And it sort of put, I wanted
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to sort of think how things might have been from his perspective when he came
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back from the Falklands. And I actually wrote the poem
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war based on that. And originally that was going to be
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song lyrics, but once I read it over a few times, I realized it
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stood on its own ground. It didn't need music for it to have any weight
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to it. And from building on that,
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I ended up doing another poem called speciesism, which
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actually converted me to. I basically converted myself to veganism,
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really, because I've. Yeah. Oh, so
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I've always been into animal rights and animal welfare, but once I
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started researching more into the realities of animal
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agriculture, I started to connect the dots in my
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mind, in my subconscious, I think, and I started to write
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about it. And once I put the words onto the page and
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I realized what I was supporting at that time, because I was vegetarian,
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I realized that I need to start doing this if this is what
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I believe and this is. And it kind of led from there, really.
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And I started building on other social themes and
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things that I'm really passionate about. I think other people,
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or most people, we need to pay attention to things more. It's so
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easy to get on with our own day to day lives and almost ignore
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some things that are important in the world.
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Oh, I love that. And your book covers various
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themes like philosophy, consciousness and gratitude. What does
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conscious mean? So I think, to put it in a sentence, I
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think a conscious way of living is being present in
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the life that we have and that. So that could be our personal
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life, but also the world that's going on around us at the same
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time not shying away from things that are
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going on. And a good example is what's happening in Palestine right now.
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It's something that may not directly affect us in one way, but
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it doesn't mean that we should ignore it, because I think
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issues like that may be affecting people in another country,
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but one day may affect us, and we want people in our corner to support
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us when that happens.
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Yeah, I totally agree. Just being all around aware, and that's what
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I'm about is awareness. Just knowing what's going on out here. You know, you got
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a lot of people that don't know what's going on and you're like, dang, you
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don't gotta. I think it's important to stay aware and not be fearful. Right?
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Like, I think people, it's a fine line between being scared, watching,
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and then just being aware. You know, it's. I think
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it's like this mind warp thing. And I use that word a lot fresh in
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cop, you know, trademark that. But mind warping yourself, which is to
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understanding the differences and things, you know.
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You know, like spirituality versus religion and all these things
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that, you know, are set. I mean, do you see yourself
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as spiritual or do you see yourself as. So I wouldn't see myself as
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a religious person. I think at one point I did question
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a lot of that area, whether I did want to go down the path of
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being religious or whether that kind of life was for me. But I
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would say that I'm a spiritual person. I did.
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So I have fallen out of a bit of a spiritual practice that I was
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quite ingrained in at one point. But I still believe in a lot of the
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principles of living a spiritual life. And
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I also believe that this is not the only existence that there is,
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that there are other, like, you could call them realms or
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dimensions that we don't necessarily see, but
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I believe they exist, whether that's reincarnation or other things like
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that.
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Yeah, I did, too. Like, I sometimes think my dog has lived before.
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He's been here before, his little man in him or something. I mean,
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I just. I just think outside the box like that. And I think that's what
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makes life better and more aware
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of what could be, you know,
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watching the show evil right now, in the show evil, it talks about,
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you know, different spiritual things that could happen to
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someone, like possession. And then, you know, you have a psychiatrist, and you have
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a. Who is it, a priest? And then you have
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the tech guy, and they're all going to these different
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situations. And they're trying to see if it's really a
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demon possession. Or is it actually their mind. Is it
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psychologically all. They need some medicine or something. And I think that's
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interesting because it's like, that ties into, like, the whole
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awareness and the consciousness thing. Because it's like knowing, okay, what's the
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difference of it all? And can you get outside of your mind to see the
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difference? Like, what if you're stuck and it's one thing, and you can't see that
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this person may be possessed, might need some other help besides some
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medicine? It's just a deep show. I. You know, it
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just. I don't know why you booked it. It sounds good, but, yes. Okay.
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Carry on. What? Yeah, so I was
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gonna say kind. Of what you're about to think. One of the things that show
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makes me think of, although I haven't seen it, is I think
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there's an innate human need for us to put logic on
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everything. Or try to define something logically in a way that we
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can make sense of. But I don't believe that there. We
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will ever understand everything that there is to know. And I think that's okay.
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You know, I think sometimes there are things that are beyond us. That we just
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have to kind of let go of trying to make sense of.
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Yes, I totally agree. Sometimes you just don't know. Just say you
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just can't figure it out. Even if all the degrees or whatever you feel like,
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you know, has got you into this world and say, okay, this is
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what. Is what it's got to be. Because I went to Harvard, like, you know,
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we don't know. You know. So that's just what it is.
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And, uh, how do you think poetry can. So that's good. So
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I think with poetry, I mean, I don't know the complete
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origins of poetry, but I think. I think of poetry as a form of
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protest, like lyrical protest. I mean,
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it doesn't always have to be that way. But I feel like there's a lot
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of power in words, whether it's through poetry or, you know, through fiction,
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for example. And I think it's quite accessible as well,
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unlike some art forms that people might not get as much. I
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think if you can write something, if you can write a
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poem that is true to your beliefs and
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something that other people can resonate with, then you
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almost share your perspective with them through words and you
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connect on a deeper level, even though they've never met you before, and
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you're sharing ideas by them, consuming what
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you read and then thinking it over in their own mind and then questioning how
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those words make them feel.
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Mmm, that is so true. I mean, because there's always someone else in the
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world thinking the same thing you are and just wants maybe somebody else to say
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it or to connect with someone else. And that's how I feel like poetry is,
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you know, I mean, because every, when I used to do. I actually do
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poetry, too, but I don't do it as much as I used to. But when
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I used to go to this poetry shop in Atlanta, Georgia, when I used to
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live in Atlanta, I used to go and recite poetry,
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and people would be like, you know, hey, man, I connected with that or this
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and that, and it's like you can see their face light up, you know, and
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it just makes. Makes it all worthwhile, you know? It's
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very interesting. Yeah, definitely. I think
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that's one of the reasons I like performing poetry live as well sometimes.
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Because if you look around the room while you're performing and you engage
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with the audience, I think you can usually tell when someone's really intently
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listening to what you say, whether they connect with it in some way as
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well. So it's. It's really nice and refreshing when that
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happens. Man, that's amazing.
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So do you believe in law of attraction?
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So I'm just trying to remember. So my understanding
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of the law of attraction is it's when you, you attract what you
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put out. Is that correct? Yes. Yes. So
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I do believe in it. I don't know if I fully believe in it, but
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I do. I can sort of make sense of it with the logic that we
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were talking about earlier. Yeah.
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So I think what we focus on is what we get
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closer to. And I think that does. It's essentially the same
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thing, I think, for me.
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I mean, one thing that I was trying to do for a long time is
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I was trying to move to a different city, and it
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wasn't quite working out in the way that I wanted it to. And
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despite that, I kind of changed my tactics of what I was doing at the
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time, and I tried to help build the creative community or get
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involved in that in my local area, because those were the things that I were
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craving at the time. And by doing that, I've made so
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many new connections. I've had more opportunities
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and just more friendships as well from creative people, which
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I think is part of the reason why I wanted to move, because the
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place I was thinking of moving was a place called Brighton in England. I
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don't know if you've heard of it before. Tumble. I heard of it, actually,
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yeah. So I haven't been there a lot, but there's quite a creative scene
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there of lots of different kinds of people. But
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I no longer think that you have to move to those places necessarily to
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find those people. A lot of them are in the same cities that you live
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in. It's just knowing where to find them. And I think
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by changing the way I was approaching how I was trying to live,
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by not moving anymore, I helped myself
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to find those people because I got involved in the community, and
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I attracted those people into my circle, if you like.
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Oh, I love it. Yeah. Because I do believe there's just some type
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of circle of, I mean, call it signs, you call it spirituality.
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I don't know. I do believe that when you're. When your mind really wants something,
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and I mean, not halfway wants something, but really wants it, I swear, it
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just comes to you, like, and it started happening to me. I started becoming more
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of my conscious awareness journey and gratitude journey, really,
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just like a year ago. And things just start coming, like type of guests. I
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want everything. I'm like, what the. I don't even look for nothing no more, you
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know? And things that I don't really want or halfway want, they just don't come.
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Yeah. You know, are things that may just take a long time. Maybe
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it's. I'm not ready yet. Because sometimes you understand that you might have want to
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start doing the performing at 20, but you just weren't ready at the
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time. And I think I just wasn't ready for certain things in my twenties,
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like I am, like I am now. It's like sometimes it's
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your thirties, forties is more fruitful. Like, you know, I think sometimes it's
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okay to start later because sometimes it's like you're better when you start later,
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you know, and just try to get that stigma if you got to be young
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and do this and that. Just get that out. Get that out of your brain,
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guys. I mean, come. Come on. You know, it's just so much more to life.
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We can live up to 100 if we, you know, eat right.
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It'll be like atmos. I'd become a vegan, but I don't know if I. It's
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gonna be very hard for me. I'm a pescetarian right now, and I don't know
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if I can. Maybe I'll have to set a challenge for you. Try it out
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for a week. You never know. You might
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have to send me a recipe or something because I can. I'm just like, I'm
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just so used to having some type of meat and, you know, and then I
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feel like sometimes I get sick, like, from salmon. I used to be like, okay,
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I can eat salmon, but then I'm starting to get sick from it. I said,
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what the heck am I going to eat? I don't know if they're point. You
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know, I've seen so many documentaries. We probably, you know, you've probably seen it, too,
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where there's stuff in the food now, and it's just causing a lot of
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issues. So it's, it's, it's just so
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many directions you can go, but it's hard. It's very hard for me. But
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I'm like, yeah, no, I know what you mean. I mean, the culture of food,
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food that we, like, live in, it's. Yeah, it's so, like, different to,
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I believe, how it should be. I mean, ideally, we would have local
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communities or, like, local gardens or something where we have, you know,
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access to fresh produce, you know, most of the time throughout the year.
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But instead we've got these, you know, mass
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manufactured, you know, whether it's livestock or, or
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it's crops that have been sprayed or with pesticides and all
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those kind of things that we're then ingesting, you know, and. But it's no wonder
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that people get sick because we're not really consuming real
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food a lot of the time.
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No, we're not. I'm like, God dang it, it's getting worse now. And I'm just
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like, what am I? What is going on? So I just try to try to
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stay positive about it, try to figure out and just keep going because, you know,
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your body is used to what it's used to. And I think that's the issue
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with a lot of people. So you also went down
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a musical journey here. When did you start? So
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my introduction to music was one of the first creative things I really got into.
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So when I was around, I'm gonna say around
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ten, I think that's when I started playing the recorder. I don't know if that's
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something you guys do in America, but it's quite common here for a lot of
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kids to learn the recorder
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and. Yeah, so I started with that, but that
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never really stuck for me. It's. Yeah, it didn't really interest me much.
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And then I started getting involved in viola maybe like a couple of years
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after. And I think I found it too difficult, if I'm being completely
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honest. So I gave that up as well. But when I, when
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I was around twelve, then I found the
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guitar and I think it's because of the music I was
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listening to at the time as well. All my bands and
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musicians that inspired me. That instrument stuck for me.
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So from twelve onwards I gradually got more invested in
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music and started practicing my skills and started to
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connect the dots and understand how music works and how we can use it
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to express ourselves and to
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connect with other people as well. Especially if we're playing live music
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with the band and an audience as well.
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Wow. I love it. And have you ever had any like
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stage fright or anything like that or. Absolutely. I think
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any musician or any performer that says they don't
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get stage fright, I think they're lying, to be honest,
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because I think with stage fright, the reason
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we get it is because we care. We care about providing a
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good performance. We want to connect with the audience, we want to play our music
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properly that we know it's even if the audience doesn't know what it's supposed to
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sound like. Because we know that there
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are a lot of people out there that will judge us for how we are
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on stage and off stage. And we most want to put our best
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foot forward. But I think it's important
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to not let stage fright stop you from doing it at all. It's
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okay to make mistakes. Even the most famous musicians of all
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time do it on countless occasions that you
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might not notice if you see them perform because you're not looking for their mistakes.
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You're trying to enjoy yourself.
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They're home. Yeah, I totally agree. I mean, I'm not
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really, I'm not a judge, judgy type person because I don't know if it's because
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I'm an artist at heart, but I, I just, I don't look for the flaws,
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I just look for just a good artist and I'm not comparing them to another
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artist I notice and you know, where I'm at, it's like a lot
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of, you know, a lot of people compare, you
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know, certain artists to other artists, like, oh, you're not this artist or that. Especially
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when I was growing up, they would say, oh, you're not. You know, you don't.
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You're not sounding like you're in a church. You're not sound like Lady Houston or
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something. And, like, I'm not. I love those. I love different type of music, but
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I'm definitely just myself. And that, you know, it took years to figure out, oh,
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this is, you know, I'm an eccentric singer. I'm an abstract soul singer.
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I call myself, because I might mix rock with soul. I might mix
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things around, you know, I don't want any rules. I don't like rules. Like,
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because it's music. It's still art. It's like a painter. So, you know, Vincent Van
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Gogh can paint his stuff and do it the way he wants, and I should
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be able to do my music the way I want. But things are changing now.
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You see more of that happening, more that revolution. Yeah, I mean, I absolutely
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agree. I think, you know, there's only one of you. Why try and
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be someone else? Only you can express yourself, yourself authentically. And
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I think despite any pushback from people saying that you
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can't do certain genres or you can't do certain
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instruments, for example, almost do it, almost
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go against it on purpose as a form of rebellion. That's. That's the way I
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kind of see it, just to do it for yourself first, but almost to say
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that, you know, I can do this if I want. Yeah,
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it's like, I mean, and that's what I'm trying to push out here, because I
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want some. Someone that's 20 years old that's nervous and stuff to just do it.
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Do your own style, because we're sending a statement.
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Most people are followers, unfortunately, but you got the 5% that are
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just, like the change makers, if
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you will. And I think those are the ones, like us, you and I, we're
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the ones that's changing this game with the pushing our perspectives
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and challenging people perspectives. And that's what you're doing in your
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poetry book? Like, yeah, definitely.
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So I meant to ask you, what's your favorite poem
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in your book? That's a good question.
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So I don't know if I've ever thought about what my
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actual favorite is, because when I went through writing the
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poems, a lot of them kind of happened in phases. I'd
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focus on maybe a couple of poems at a time, and then I would
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just zone in on those and just make sure they were finished before moving
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on. I think, although there's a lot of deep
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subjects in my book, I think one of
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the. My favorites, just because of its simplicity, is the haiku that's
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at the start of the book. And
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the simplicity of it, I think, is good because
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it sort of embodies one of the principles of the book
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about how we can change the way we think. We don't have to
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be locked into these beliefs that we've adopted through our environment or through
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what other people have told us, and it's
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possible to grow and we can be better versions of
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ourselves. So I'd probably say the haiku is one of my favorites, but it's
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entitled, though, so. Yeah.
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Wow. Okay, that's interesting. And have you done any,
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like, book tours yet or anything? And, yeah, so
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I've done quite a few things since I released it last year, actually. So
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some of the ones that come to mind is I did a book signing in
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a local bookshop called Kenilworth Books, I think, last,
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late last year, which went really well. And
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I'm just going to say a shout out as well to all local bookstores that
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support artists. I think you guys are heroes
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because pretty much if you don't have a publishing deal,
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any big, major bookstores, they won't even consider you. And that was
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quite a shock that I learned when going through the self publishing route.
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There's definitely some gatekeeping going on in the literary
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community. And even with magazines or
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different people that offer to review books as well, most don't take self
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published books, which was quite a shock.
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Wow, that's crazy. I know. Here they're accepting it more now
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because I was, you know, and I mean, it's just weird
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because to me, the self published authors, hey, they got, you know, you know, I
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would say uniqueness now, and it's more
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authentic and raw in a way because, you know, we're coming to you ourselves.
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But hopefully that starts to change. I mean, do you
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like being self published, though, or did you want a publishing deal?
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So it's. I'm not sure, really. I
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think with being self published, I like the fact
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that you can have more creative control and
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you can express the, let's say in my case, a book, you can
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express it the way it's intended to be expressed. Whereas if you go
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a traditional publishing route, there's no way my cover would have been
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accepted the way it is without any text, because that's like a big no no
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for like.
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But going with a traditional publisher does have its perks as
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well. You know, you. You sacrifice or compromise on certain
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areas, and then they might have a bigger reach. They might be able to
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get you more event placements, but I
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still think with traditional publishers, there's no guarantee of success. Just like with
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record labels, you know, with music, they invest all this money into
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you, and essentially they can give you an advance, but it's just a
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loan, really. At least with record labels. Yeah, pretty
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much. And if you don't turn out to be a successful
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musician in this case, then. Then guess who's gonna have to pay it back.
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Thing I do. Yeah, exactly. What's that? I mean,
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yeah, I was about to ask you about that because, you know, a lot of
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times people think that being a music artist is just like being
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on tv everywhere. But when I turned 20, the game started
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changing. You know, the independent artists are making money. Like, I met a
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guy and I used to work at the airport. I was 20 years old. He
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was pulling 200,000 a year artist. Chilling. That's incredible. He
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wants. And I think, yeah. I was like, what? Okay.
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So he was doing that, and I say, it's possible. And when I took
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a, I took a marketing training, I think it was like three, four years
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ago. No, it hadn't been two years ago. Time go by so fast. And I
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said, all you need to know is how to market and have money to push
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that market. So all you have to do is, even if you have to get
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a loan from the bank, that is your loan. So it's a little bit better
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if you have to get a higher paying job. Whatever the case is, you can
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market your own stuff just like the labels, because marketing
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is the key to winning, so you don't even have to deal with the label,
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them telling you how to dress and what to do. Because I've seen a lot
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of artists in my twenties in Atlanta, Georgia, where they were, like, telling them,
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hey, you know, you need to dress like this. You need to do this and
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that. I was even told to be more like Rihanna at the time.
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Rihanna was popular during that time around 20, when I was 22, 23, and
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they would tell, you know, tell us to be more like that artist. And it
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was like, it took the juice out of it. Like, I thought that I could
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just be myself. So, you know, I was already kind of wise at
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that time that I didn't want to be like that. And the other artists were
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just getting. Some people gave in and said, hey, I'll be this caricature. And so
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said, no, I'm not going to do it. You know, and that's, that's
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why it's just more fruitful to be independent, I think. Especially if you authentic artists.
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Yeah, I mean, I respect that. And the idea of you trying
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to imitate another artist, to me is, I think it's a waste of time.
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Because if. If a fan of her music or someone that
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likes that kind of music has a choice between a big, well known
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artist that, you know, had been marketed probably
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a lot more than you have, and is already a household name,
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they're probably going to go with them if it's. The choices are very similar.
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So it just seems like a waste of time.
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Yeah, they're losing money. They're gonna lose out on their loan, like you said.
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So I think. I think it's just my opinion. I mean, my
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advice to artists out here just listening, please, just learn marketing, go take a course.
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Because nowadays there's courses. Back when I first started music at 20, there was really
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no free courses. You got udemy, now you got coursera, where you can learn
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free, you can learn training on marketing and just market your own stuff. Even if
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it's a dollar a day on Facebook, it can take you far and just do
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your own events. People like events. So if you, if
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you. I don't know if you guys have eventbrite in UK, but, like, there's certain
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apps you can use where you can, like, book a venue. I know it's like
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50 an hour here in the US, but there's probably somewhere you can
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book a venue and then just people like live stuff and they'll buy it just
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because a lot of people don't have. Some people don't have anything to do, or
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they just want to do something different, they will literally buy your, your tv
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ticket, you know, and I think that's one of the biggest ways.
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More than just streaming platforms, you know, is just starting your
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own shows. I think on that note, like, that's really good
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because it's something that I've experienced a lot as well
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since, especially since releasing the book, I found that
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most of the time where I made my sales with my
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book, it was in person events. It was taking them to open mic
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nights, you know, plugging the book at the end of my set,
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book fairs and things like that. And I think it's because, like, you're talking about,
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like, the in person nature of it, I think it's because when you
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have that connection with someone in person, it feels a little bit more real and
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genuine. Whereas if someone streams your music,
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they. I feel like there's a disconnect. They're just hearing your music rather
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than connecting with you as a person and
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like, because of that, I think, yes, the in person
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marketing, if you like, through doing events, is the way to go, and it's, it's
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the way to build your fan base and to become
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part of a local community of real people that, you know, make
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genuine connections with each other as well. Yes, I
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love it. I mean, that's, I mean, I think that's what I think artists should
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be doing because it, I'm telling you, they'll see a big growth in no time.
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That's what I believe. I mean, I didn't do it yet. I'm gonna work on
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it. I have some stage fright issues I'm getting over, but I can,
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I have a whole studio in my, in my room. But it's like,
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00:29:30,124 --> 00:29:33,916
oh, man. It's like I like to perform just hiding a little bit. But
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at the end of the day, I do want to start performing out again and
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getting, you know, getting that connection and getting people to just to
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00:29:41,540 --> 00:29:44,860
hear new type of music, new styles. But, uh, but, yeah,
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so before, well, you know what? I have two questions before
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we end the show. So what are your thoughts on
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AI, artificial intelligence and the music and art? Like, is, does
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that affect you or do you enhance it? It's funny because
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this has come up a lot recently. So
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my sort of thinking of AI is I don't
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think AI as a whole is necessarily a bad thing,
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but I really think that AI should just be banned from
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all art altogether because I think if it starts
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getting used for the minor details of creating a
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creative project, it's only a certain amount of time before it starts getting
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used more and more. And a really good
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example of AI and art that I really disagreed with,
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and it was a real shock, was a
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video competition that Pink Floyd put out where they
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wanted different animators to create a video
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for each of the songs off their record. Dark side of the Moon,
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I think it was for the 50th anniversary, and
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unlike a lot of competitions, there was no,
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there was no clause that said that AI wasn't allowed. And because of
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that, there were so many AI entries and one of them actually
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won. And it won compared. Yeah,
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exactly. And there were lots of artists that you could
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tell. They spent months and months on their animations. And
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the guy that won, almost like he couldn't
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sort of explain what he did properly or like, it didn't seem very
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genuine yet his video won. And I think
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especially because it's Pink Floyd, like a massive household name, one of
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my favorite bands as well. It's that alone is
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set a real dangerous precedent that, you know, artists or like,
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animators in this case, they have to compete with AI now.
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And AI is almost winning in some cases.
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Wow, man, that's crazy. I do. I do
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understand you on that one. I kind of. I sometimes feel like I'm half and
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half. I do like artificial intelligence, what it can do, because I, you know, I
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work in tech and I do like some of the things that it can do,
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and I do like, some of the art I can create. Create. I know that's
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naughty, but I just like to create certain art with it. I
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was a painter, you know, I paint kind of abstract type work, so I do
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know how to paint. But when I do. When I do artificial
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intelligence art, it kind of just, I don't know, I kind of bring out what
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I want in a way, in, in a different way. So, you know,
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I don't know. But I do think that it's wrong to. To.
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I think if. I think there should be different type of competitions, if it's one
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to. For real animators and real artists,
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that should be said and then have a contest for maybe the AI artistic
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piece. Like, just have different. Just differentiate. Differentiated. I
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think that will help out because it isn't fair to the artist that took all
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this time trying to get this piece done, our song done,
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you know, because you're also doing songs. Well, yeah, exactly. Yeah. No, I agree with
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you. I think clearly AI is not going away anytime
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soon, but if it's reshaped into a
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way that doesn't harm real artists and it is kind
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of kept separate and it's people that create it acknowledge it as
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AI art, I think that's a direction that is better rather than
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trying to sort of blend. Blend the two and sort of kind of
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make real artists compete with AI.
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Yes, I totally agree. I love it. And before we head
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out, I want to know what. What events or anything are
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books or any projects that you have coming up that you want the audience to
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know about. Yeah, sure. So I think the most thing, the thing that's coming up
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that is the most interesting and close to completion is my
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photography work. So I've been building
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a fairly, well, I think, a fairly big portfolio in the
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background. I haven't really been sharing all of it on social media yet.
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And I think within the next three months,
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maybe sooner, I should be able to start offering prints of
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my, some of my portfolio as well, which I'm really excited
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about. I can't wait to get them printed either by myself,
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I get a professional printer or another company, get them mounted and
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boarded and presentable, basically, for anyone that's interested
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in them, so that they can hopefully put them up on our walls at home.
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No, that's so inspiring. I love it. You know,
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always thought AbOut. I mean, we're so similar. It's not Even. It's uncanny. Because
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one thing is, I. I said, I want to take some pictures of some. I
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got some hummingbirds out in my backyard, and I said, I want to take some
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pictures of the hummingbirds and stuff. And I just never bought the camera because I
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00:34:29,448 --> 00:34:32,840
felt guilty, because I'm doing a lot of. I'm
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like. I'm, like, doing something that said the guilt came in, but I said, you
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know what? You know, now that I'm talking to you, I'm like, I just want
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to take pictures that God darn honey bird. I just want to. Because Mickey memories.
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And when I'm old or something, I can look back and say, that's a BeAuTiful
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picture of THat HummingBird. And I can. Maybe somebody else might want to buy it.
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I mean, if you do take a photo of it, please let me see. Because
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I'm all for WIldlife photography. It's one of my favorite genres of
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photography. Yes.
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And then maybe you can critique and let me know what I can do better
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and stuff, too, because I'm still learning. The photography thing is kind of new to
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me. I know how to edit pictures and stuff, but I'm like, oh,
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so just. I'm gonna start. Yeah. Well, if it helps, it's still quite new to
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me, to be honest. I mean, I only took it seriously late last year,
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but since doing that, my progress has been exponential. I've
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00:35:19,532 --> 00:35:22,932
learned. I've read quite a lot about it, watched so many YouTube videos,
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and. But I do think the most important thing,
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I guess, this applies to any art form, is just to kind of
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experiment with it with photography, you know, this is just like a joke, general
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thing. Go out and take photos. Don't sit at home. Go
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out and look at the things that you find interesting. In your case, it
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could be hummingbirds. Just go and watch them and see
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what they do. And hopefully, when you go out
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again sometime, you have a camera with you, and you might capture a special moment
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that you wouldn't have had you not had that camera.
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That is so true. I love it. I love it. And what's the saying
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or quoting? Oh, that's a good one. So I don't know if this is someone
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else's motto that I've kind of copied without even realizing.
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But one thing I try to think of sometimes is about embracing
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imperfection. And I'm saying that as a perfectionist as well, which
592
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is ironic. But I think sometimes we
593
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try to make things too perfect and we take away the human element of
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it. And I think sometimes we need to kind of let go of mistakes
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or, well, quotations mistakes, because
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00:36:33,398 --> 00:36:37,234
they're not necessarily mistakes. They could just be points of interest.
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Oh, now that was so cool. That's a sound
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like everywhere.
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I love that. I love that because they're in the age of
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perfectionism. Perfectionism. And sometimes I feel like I'm
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kind of in the middle. Like I'm not so much perfect, but I'm like, if
602
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I don't do this, then it won't be done because I'll sit there and overthink
603
00:37:02,850 --> 00:37:06,562
it as a scorpio. So I'm like, oh, I got to do this anyway, so
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I'm happy you said that. So. Yeah, well, I think what they're going. To do,
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one of the major downfalls of perfectionism, and I can say this from experience,
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is if it gets or if you let it take control, you just
607
00:37:17,098 --> 00:37:20,926
don't do anything at all. And then your art suffers because of that.
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I would rather have, let's say, 50 photos
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where there's some kind of thing that could be improved in it than
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no photos at all. Because at least then I'm probably still going to be
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improving. So I'm still taking the photos. I'm not sort of
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standing still.
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Yes, not standing still. I love it. I love it. So I want
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to thank you for coming on today. I mean,
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this was just a great conversation. And
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also, oh, I got your link anyway, so I'll share your link to the, to
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the fans if you have a new. Yeah, sure. So I think I
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don't have a new website that's coming up, but I think one thing I would
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say, or two things actually, is keep an eye out on
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Atmos productions because in the next
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couple of months, hopefully sooner, my new store will be
622
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operational and hopefully there'll be some prints on there.
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So I'm very, very much looking forward to sharing that, finally.
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I've been doing a lot of work in the background for that.
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Nice. I love it. There you have it. And I'll also add that in the
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show notes. Y'all. See if you didn't catch that. And I want to thank
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everyone for rocking with me. Please subscribe, thrive and share. And I
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appreciate it and stay safe out there. Peace, everybody.
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Thank you.
